75 replies to this topic

[radfaraf]

I stay on the old version because my friends stay on the old version. They stay on the old version because I stay on the old version. It's circular and someone must break the circle for us please :worshippy: !

[arakrune]

ok this is just my opinion but as long as test remains in the newer clients designation and the attitude is let the users migrate at their own pace, it will kill the network.
a large portion just wont switch till you kill 156 and force them to ( as has been done with some previous versions).
i personally like the new client much better myself tbh.

[klammerstrich]

I agree 100% with the user before.

would love to change to the new server. but all my friends stay on 156. so i will stay too...
i don't see a change unless we are all "forced" to use the new client.

[nir]

well, i took the "test" out of the client's name and renamed it NS (new server). i've also set the initial room join message on the main server to advertise it and sent an admin message to do the same. i understand your frustration regarding the two separate servers, but merging them is just not an option that's technically available to us right now. the best i can recommend to you right now is to either use both clients at the same time, or use the new client by default and try the older one when you can't find what you're looking for. as for bots flooding, i can only recommend private rooms on the new server for now, and i'll be adding selective private messaging features to the next NS client that will allow you to only receive PMs from friends and ask for confirmation (or ignore altogether) from anyone else. i would also like to address some of the anger regarding nicotine being a much better client. we have no problem with people using nicotine instead. i have no problem with someone else writing a better client. i'm not primarily a user-interface developer, i had to develop both the server and the client, and if another client makes better use of the network then so be it. if you're happy with your third part client then more power to you. if you don't want to support us by donating, for any reason including but not limited to not thinking we deserve to stay alive then that's perfectly fine. enjoy the system for free, as 99.98% of you have for as long as soulseek's been up. if it's our time to go we will go quietly. i would also like to take this opportunity to address some of the lies that have been spread about our lifestyle and the money we make off soulseek. we live from hand to mouth. a few months ago we had to let go of sierracat, our system admin, despite his excellent work, because we could no longer afford his services. we are pretty heavily in debt. we are fighting a legal battle in france. we are not poor nor starving, but neither of us drives a fancy car nor could we begin to afford one if we wanted to. i don't like discussing money issues, but i feel it necessary to defend ourselves from accusations that are, and have always been, patently untrue. with that, i would like to thank you all for using soulseek and making it a significant, if not hugely popular or successful experience. thanks, nir

[avtk]

we are fighting a legal battle in france.

Sorry, i'm off-topic.
I'm a long-time user, but it's not so important. What is important is that i'm french. I'm interested to know more about this, and why not talking a little about it on the french part of the internet if it's not an "handicap" for the battle. (i write sometimes some things on webzines).
Cultural policy is actually a pain in France. I think you will not have the time to answer me personnaly. But for first the time since 2002, i have the opportunity to say you : thanks, thanks and thanks for soulseek. Music, Lab30, friends, chatting, etc., it's one of my best experience in my all "internet-life". It brings me a lot of great moments in my all life, not only virtual.

[Rabbitweed]

nir, if you're not getting anything out of Soulseek and it's apparently a chore for you to maintain, why not merge Soulseek with Nicotine+? This would lift the burden from you, and you could still control the direction of the project.

[cravings]

nir, if you're not getting anything out of Soulseek and it's apparently a chore for you to maintain, why not merge Soulseek with Nicotine+? This would lift the burden from you, and you could still control the direction of the project.

i think you'll find that running the servers is the burden... as long as the clients connecting to it work and don't hinder the network performance.. they're irrelevent really. to the running of the network that is, not to the users.

[sp00ki]

well, i took the "test" out of the client's name and renamed it NS (new server). i've also set the initial room join message on the main server to advertise it and sent an admin message to do the same. i understand your frustration regarding the two separate servers, but merging them is just not an option that's technically available to us right now. the best i can recommend to you right now is to either use both clients at the same time, or use the new client by default and try the older one when you can't find what you're looking for. as for bots flooding, i can only recommend private rooms on the new server for now, and i'll be adding selective private messaging features to the next NS client that will allow you to only receive PMs from friends and ask for confirmation (or ignore altogether) from anyone else. i would also like to address some of the anger regarding nicotine being a much better client. we have no problem with people using nicotine instead. i have no problem with someone else writing a better client. i'm not primarily a user-interface developer, i had to develop both the server and the client, and if another client makes better use of the network then so be it. if you're happy with your third part client then more power to you. if you don't want to support us by donating, for any reason including but not limited to not thinking we deserve to stay alive then that's perfectly fine. enjoy the system for free, as 99.98% of you have for as long as soulseek's been up. if it's our time to go we will go quietly. i would also like to take this opportunity to address some of the lies that have been spread about our lifestyle and the money we make off soulseek. we live from hand to mouth. a few months ago we had to let go of sierracat, our system admin, despite his excellent work, because we could no longer afford his services. we are pretty heavily in debt. we are fighting a legal battle in france. we are not poor nor starving, but neither of us drives a fancy car nor could we begin to afford one if we wanted to. i don't like discussing money issues, but i feel it necessary to defend ourselves from accusations that are, and have always been, patently untrue. with that, i would like to thank you all for using soulseek and making it a significant, if not hugely popular or successful experience. thanks, nir

this is the best explanation of soulseek and your motivation i've read to date. i, like many, have had criticisms over the years... this (at least for me) hits something of a reset button.

thanks for taking a moment.

[OrtaliGoddessOfPrivileges]

we are fighting a legal battle in france.

Sorry, i'm off-topic.
I'm a long-time user, but it's not so important. What is important is that i'm french. I'm interested to know more about this, and why not talking a little about it on the french part of the internet if it's not an "handicap" for the battle. (i write sometimes some things on webzines).
Cultural policy is actually a pain in France. I think you will not have the time to answer me personnaly. But for first the time since 2002, i have the opportunity to say you : thanks, thanks and thanks for soulseek. Music, Lab30, friends, chatting, etc., it's one of my best experience in my all "internet-life". It brings me a lot of great moments in my all life, not only virtual.

Thank you for the kind words and your ongoing support. I would be happy to talk to you about the current case(s). The main one is regarding the SCPP, and we have a new court date set for September of this year. We would love our French users to know all about this, as the SCPP claims that Soulseek was created exclusively to infringe upon copyright and that we intentionally lure French users to infringe upon French copyright. After much haggling with the EFF, and a long search for pro bono legal counsel in France, we managed to get in contact with HUGOTAVOCATS. They explained that France does not do pro bono legal counsel, but they gave us a greatly reduced price for a retainer. However, the conversion rate for euros is not kind to us currently, and it still is ending up costing us a pretty penny. If you would like to talk with me further about this in private, please message me on slsk (either client) and I will give you all of the details. If you could bring this info to the French slsk community, it would be great! :slsk:

[phed]

I have so much criticism on how things have been handled, but it is nobodies fault. I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, but I have said that the spiral had its end ages ago. I know nir has tried his best to be accessible, but I am afraid the rest of the community has shielded him and caused these myths. Anyone who did their homework saw that this was no money binge anyway. Further it is evident that this project is one of the best central server P2P servers ever devised. The design is several generations beyond what DirectConnect did.

Anyway: Just close the old server. Nobody is going to miss it. Give a month d-time so that the nicotine dudes can handle accordingly. Perhaps replace it with a server message and disconnect. The old server needs to go. The search width is just going to earn on it. I see no reason to keep to the old server. Everyone managed to upgrade to a newer client previously.

And frankly, I hope imagination can bring where the next step of soulseek can go. It has traction, and it can be used for good.

But I fear that the next few steps would have to be radical. You get my gist? Rarely are people ready for anything radical.

*Disclaimer: Honest, but with awe. This network is the best. I have learnt so much about LEGAL music here.

[SoulEata]

Thanks for responding nir, I'm flattered.

And at the time of this posting it appears as if you have taken the plunge and made upgrades mandatory!

[cloudseeker]

I signed up just to post here

I wanted to say a big Thank You to nir and the other developers for all their work on this awesome program. It sounds like it can kind of be an "all guts and no glory" thing working on Slsk, but I can tell you from my experiences and that of other users that the payoff is huge...

Without Slsk, I wouldn't have met (or reconnected with!) several friends who have become dear to me. And why are we such good friends - because we share the same eclectic taste in music and music is a big part of our lives. The Rooms are to me what sets Slsk apart so much, that and the generosity of users - I meet people from literally around the world in different rooms, yet we have so much in common, Slsk makes stuff like that possible.

Like, for example, have you ever seen someone d/l from you some obscure song/band/composer and you think "hey cool"....then you browse their share and they have this huge collection of their music?! One of those "eureka! I'm-not-alone" moments that are so cool to have in life. Thank you, Slsk, for that.

And also thank you Slsk for being a vehicle for us users to discover music we didn't even know existed, or is brand-new literally wet on the page - that is where this kind of service is priceless. For the discovery of newly created music. And for broadening horizons - Slsk friends recommend stuff to you that you would never have tried yourself - and you like it! Love it even!

As for the servers - be patient, it will work itself out - hopefully the planned outage went well, I know I saw a few old friends pop up, having migrated, during the outage. Nudged along, people will finally read/follow the steps to move their settings and get it figured out. We were also helping users in chat rooms with their issues - people come together.

The problems with different OS may take time, but workarounds will be devised. Everything's not perfect yet, but it's getting better all the time - just as Slsk has always endeavoured to do.

Honestly, I think the NS adds some features that can really strengthen the community. Like in a situation, where a room that had a ton of users, many people didn't know anyone, and random spammers were what usually filtered through the chat room. Now in a private room, people seriously interested in the topic of the room are invited by others, and it grows - now people actually chat in the chatroom, share more of their stuff as they feel they can trust the others, and we are like a body of friends who share interests, rather than just faceless entities trading bits of data.

The only, only problem I have run into - which is regarding private rooms - is no way for Mac users to be invited into private rooms, well, without going through a bunch of workaround hoops. I don't know much about Macs and how that all works, but hopefully there will be a better solution for them sometime.

But yeah, there's my little Slsk spiel - and again, thanks so much to nir and the developers for their continuing work, and the ingenious design of Slsk in the first place. BRAVO! :worshippy:

Edited by cloudseeker, 17 July 2008 - 07:19 AM.

[Chiquitin]

Amen.

[rhythm]

btw what happened to the auto-resume and the auto-clear finished checkboxes in the transfers tab ?
:headphones:

[Julian]

So, i'm using a third-party client because i'm not running windows. Can i still migrate to the new server by just entering a different server address in the settings? Or will i have to wait until the maintainer of my client launches a new version which work with the new version...

[f1losof]

You can migrate to the new server, yet you won't be able to use the new features. See the apropriate forum for details.
A fine guide - which can be easily adapted to other clients - has been posted on the ssX subforum: http://forums.slskne...showtopic=21280

I'm sad to hear sierracat is out of the team, he did such a great lot of work. Nice guy aswell.

Edited by f1losof, 23 July 2008 - 04:55 PM.

[Timex]

...the new site is superb, thanks to all those who made it possible!

....been using Soulseek for 4 years now and hopefully more to come!

[pandafire]

So has the giant issue of not being able to log in because the verify password box doesn't appear bug been fixed or will I (and all other Vista users) have to switch to something less appealing like Ares?

[hovis]

Protocol encyption, if it is not already in latest version. Damn is this for the suggestion box, no its better placed here.

add: Have just installed very painless.
Renamed current programs folder to new beta version (with slsk closed).
Installed into that directory, sent slsk exe to desktop to replace the older one.
run slsk and all is as it should be, no problem. Though my list is very few only a handful, as i'm still also using 156c. Will change when the new server has same or more than old server on it. Or that should be when everyone migrates to the new server by using the new betas.

Ah it would be nice nir if userlist button was back on the main gui. After using older version forever it is natural to be there.



I thank you Sir Nir for slsk new betas, new hope

Edited by hovis, 27 August 2008 - 06:32 PM.

[hovis]

And ehrm... Gui to remember its last layout and window dimensions. Sorry had to say it as is a ancient need for us all to have still for slsk.